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Following is the contents of a fact sheet developed by the steering committee of HJR 80
supporters.  It pretty clearly shows their agenda and what they will be working towards.

Click here for quotes from the members of the Illinois Prison Talk website forum to see what their interest and agenda is.

 Basic Fact Sheet about Long-Term Prisoners (including lifers and C#’s)

 Sentencing Issues

o       Reduction in Sentencing

§         Models in other states

·        Which states have parole, and who is eligible and when

§         Reintroduction of good time and / or meritorious good time

§         Making the case for those who would have gotten relief if Apprendi was retroactively applied

o       Parole for C# Prisoners and other issues related to C# prisoners

o       Life Without Parole

§         Who has LWOP in Illinois?

·        Demographics

·        For what offenses

o       How many are mandatory lifers?

§         Double homicide statute

§         Death eligible

§         Habitual offenders

§         Recidivist sex offenders

o       How many have discretionary life sentences

§         Juvenile Lifers

 Health Care in Prison

o       Medical Care

§         Medical parole? (analysis of other states)

§         Increasing need for geriatric care as the prison population continues to grow and age

o       Mental Health Care

Mental Development: are there psychological predictors that can help us determine who commits crimes and who has the potential (better or worse) for rehabilitation?

Conditions in Illinois Maximum-Security Prisons

o       Programs for long-termers

§         What kinds of programs to other states have in their maximum security prisons?

§         What did Illinois used to have in terms of programming at maximum-security prisons?

§         How does programming affect recidivism?

§         How does programming affect prisoners’ behavior?

§         Does programming have an effect on correctional staff or prison safety, generally?

o       Transfers: Making the case that long-termers and lifers can be housed in lower-security facilities

§         How many long-termers have tickets for assaultive behavior?

§         How many long-termers have had tickets in the last 10 years of their respective sentences?

§         Evidence of long-termers thriving in lower-security facilities (C#’s a good example)

o       Honors Prison / Dorm

§         Example of G Dorm at Stateville

§         Other states that have honor dorms / prisons

§         Is housing the best-behaved prisoners in honor dorms a practical solution to impediments of programming (e.g., movement)

§         How would have having an honors dorm or prison benefit the IDOC and the safety of the people who live and work in the prisons?

o       Clemency:

§         Revamp the guidelines to make clemency a more viable option for those who deserve it; and incentive for good behavior

§         Apprendi retroactivity cases

Tamms: special study on inmates at Tamms (Tamms’ Families Committee)

Restorative Justice: Bringing victims and the offenders together

Loved ones of the Incarcerated:

o       How does long-term imprisonment affect the families and friends of those who are incarcerated?

§         Larger community effects of long-term incarceration

 

QUOTES

Following are direct and exact quotes from the Illinoisprisontalk website which delineates their intent and desires for HJR 80 and reveals in general their unsympathetic attitudes about victims of crime.  By the way, since these quotes are reproduced exactly from a public forum (to which the rules of copyright do not specifically apply) with credit given, the owners of the IPT website cannot demand their removal from this website, especially since they have freely quoted from this website and are always welcome to do so. 

"I think also that victims play too big a role in the criminal justice system.  A conviction and sentencing should be based ONLY on the crime itself, not the impact on the remaining family members.  There are too many variables that play into that.  There are many victims who do not have family to speak out loud about the pain and suffering one feels, so that prisoner spends less time behind bars than those that have very vocal family members?  What makes the murder of a lawyer (or other professional) any different than that of a homeless person?  I believe the victims can have a voice in the courtroom, but only once a defendant has been convicted and sentenced, a victim impact statement should have no bearing on one's punishment, nor should it have any bearing on parole hearings as well.  Oftentimes parole is denied based on the nature of the crime and/or the impact on the victim's families, when truth be told, it should be solely on the individual's ability to take responsibility for his actions and to work toward improving him/herself and only then should one be given the opportunity to prove themselves."  [Scout - May 24, 2006]

"Offenders must be given the opportunity to search their souls and minds and reverse their course in life.  They must be given the tools to affect a change in themselves and the hope for  returning to society if they are successful . The decision of parole and release must be returned to the Parole Board.  This needs to be a case by case determination after an offender serves a minimum number of years.  Our justice and penal systems in Illinois are in a downward spiral and HJR80 is seen by many directly affected as a last chance to change this destructive, costly and inhumane course.    I don't know what direction those appointed to the HJR committee will persue.  When the committee is formed I'm certain there will be much public input.  I hope sensible heads will prevail and our State will consider the drastic changes that need to be made when HJR80 is studied." [Dazzler - May 24, 2006]

"The key word here is crime victim, the families of a murdered individual, although affected by the act, are not the victims in a crime." [Scout - May 28, 2006]
(ed. note:  Actually, the term "crime victim" does accurately and legally apply to immediate family members of homicide victims according to the Victims' Rights Amendment.  Look it up in the Illinois Constitution.)

 

"So, the victims' families don't want to have to go, periodically, before a parole board? Well good. Don't go. Stay home if the only reason you are going is because in your mind you believe a person should spend the rest of his/her life in prison, and you have no intention of finding out whether or not that person has changed and meets the state's requirements to be released. We have a parole board with members on it to whom we have intrusted the responsibility of deciding when - or if - a person has been rehabilitated and is safe to release to the public. I think it should go without saying that people who knew the victims will be opposed to his/her release. " [Jims - May 28, 2006]

"Well first of all, as I have said numerous times in numerous posts, bringing back the parole system would look at inmates on a case-by-case basis. There would be no guarantee that anyone would absolutely be paroled. But it would give those inmates who have put in the effort and have worked hard to change their lives while incarcerated another chance. That is, after all, Constitutionally speaking, the role of Corrections though in recent years we have allowed crime victims, or more accurately, crime victims’ family members, to have too great an impact on sentencing and parole which has obviated the integrity of the process.

No one here believes that all inmates are the same. No one has implied that ALL inmates should get out! There will be those who will need to be incarcerated for longer periods of time, and there will be those who need to be incarcerated forever. Serial killers are increasingly taking plea deals for LWOP in order to avoid the DP. I think these are the very predators for whom life in prison should be a very real possibility. They would be the ones who would not be granted parole. But they should not be in the same category with the person who kills during a drug-induced state, or during the heat of passion. Certainly, LWOP should not be given to juveniles under the age of 18 or to adults sentenced under the Accountability theory.

Why is it such a difficult concept to understand and accept? Parole. A case-by-case review. No guarantee of release. A lengthy minimum sentence before a parole hearing.  Stringent guidelines and requirements to be met before parole is granted. What’s the problem with this concept? I have yet to hear anything but the same criticism regarding the misunderstanding that doing away with LWOP would somehow open the prison doors wide and allow everyone to be released. If there was a problem IN THE PAST with parole – and there admittedly was – then we FIX the sytem rather than abandon it.

Families of victims already have too much voice in the criminal justice system. I don’t know what they could add to the HJR80 committee if they are going to be insistent on keeping LWOP and other sentences that are tantamount to life sentences. If they are steadfast in those views and only want to lobby that position, I don’t believe they should be a part of this process. "  [Jims - June 1, 2006]

"I wouldn't work to support HJR80 if it did not include getting rid of LWOP." [Jims - June 2, 2006]

"I second that!"  [Scout - June 2, 2006] 
(ed. note - Scout is one of the authors of the flawed fiscal savings study that was distributed to the committee on November 20, 2006)

"Again, unless I'm missing something (which is entirely possible), the bill is primarily focused on the cost issues surrounding the continued incarceration of those sentenced over 30 years to LWOP.  There's absolutely nothing in the bill about programs, health care, inmate classification...we are touching on all these as they are just as important...but the primary focus is returning the PRB for those with lengthy sentences.  Think about it for a minute, if we don't look at bringing back the parole board, what good is any of the other issues?  Programs, education, good health and mental health care, etc., will mean jack-diddly with no money on the coffers to pay for it.  They'll never get out of the fiscal disaster they are in, if they don't start letting some of the long-termers out...they are added DAILY to the already bulging prison population..what then, just build more prisons?  As a loved one, but most importantly as a IL taxpayer, I'm thoroughly disgusted it's gone this far."  [Scout - June 3, 2006]

There's been a lot of discussion here and elsewhere about inmates families, particularly me, whose belief is that the bill is focused on (retroactively) reducing long term sentences and not on the other topics of discussion (programs, education, health care)....although those are very important issues, I personally do not see these items listed out in the bill itself.  I've copied the bill below.  I'd like those that are disagreeing with my perception of the bill to shed some light as to how they perceive the bill to include these issues.   

I'd also like the thoughts of those so primarily focused on the "other" issues to explain to me where they believe the money will come from to fund all the issues, without looking into releasing some of the long termers that have truly been rehabilitated?  I ask this, because currently there is no money in the budget for clothing, proper diet, even toilet paper, but the state is going to cough up money for all these extra (non-bill related) issues???  From where exactly???"  [Scout - June 3, 2006]

"IPT staff has taken an official position regarding this controversial
subject:


  "The intent of HJR80 is to study the ever increasing costs and the constitutionality of warehousing thousands of Illinois inmates who have Life Without Parole/severe Life sentences.  Although we are drafting suggestions/research for the appointed HJR Committee concerning other issues (medical, educational programs, restorative justice, honors programs, etc.) the heart of the resolution is the need for some long-term prisoners to be returned to society to alleviate this monstrous burden on Illinois taxpayers.

  The purpose of the drafted Resolution is to investigate what measures could/should be taken to parole LWOP/long-term  prisoners and reverse the short-sighted 'tough on crime' legislation that created this burgeoning crisis.

  It would be foolishness to suggest that anything short of releasing hundreds, if not thousands, of LWOP inmates and other Lifers who have served dozens of years behind bars should be the main objective of HJR80.   The intention of the Resolution is to study a solution for returning inmates to society, inmates that have demonstrated their rehabilitation, inmates that no longer pose a threat to society.  There are no other issues addressed in this Resolution as it is now drafted. 

  Although proposing improved medical treatment, re-instating educational and job training programs, fostering more compassionate conditions for the incarcerated are all worthy of attention...the bottom line is there are no funds available to even consider any of these improvements unless a substantial portion of the long-term inmate population, rotting in desperation and idleness, is released.   IPT's preliminary research has calculated the monetary saving in excess of a billion dollars by releasing those already serving over thirty years, and in all likelihood this will exceed two billion dollars.

  It is the aim of IPT to support the wordage of Joint House Resolution 80 as it's been drafted and accepted by both the Illinois Senate and House of Representatives.  It would be irresponsible of concerned citizens, prisoner's rights advocates, victim's rights activists and legislators to ignore the feasibility of releasing hundreds of long-term prisoners, upon approval of the Prison Review Board, and parole those rehabilitated persons as useful members of society.

  It would also be irresponsible to suggest Illinois Legislators should fling the cell doors open indiscriminately and release those inmates who have not demonstrated their worthiness.  No one has suggested that the truly unrepentant monsters of our society should ever be released, this would be gross negligence.  However, extreme consideration should be given to those sentenced to living-death for accountability, those wrongfully convicted, the physically frail and infirm and the most gargantuan injustice of all...the imposition of death sentences/LWOP upon children.  How do we call ourselves a compassionate, forgiving, righteous society when this insanity prevails? 

  It would be inconceivable to impose our opinions upon other organizations, however, those who purport to be pro-prisoner advocates yet support this Resolution only as a tool to increase spending within the IDOC, those who unjustly lobby against any legislative changes that would release long-term prisoners or entertain personal agendas should please reconsider their position and allow the Committee the latitude needed to study this controversial resolution before opposing it and lobbying against it."

  ~ Administration"  [Dazzler - June 12, 2006]
 

"One more time (this makes at least the 10th time we’ve said this) let me reiterate that we are not advocating the wholesale release of all prisoners. We are advocating that a revised parole system be implemented in Illinois so that some inmates, after serving a minimum sentence of 25 years, will have the opportunity to come before the parole board IF they meet VERY STRINGENT GUIDELINES. Some. Not ALL. SOME INMATES. Not even MOST. What part of that is so difficult to understand? " [Jims - November 21, 2006] 
(ed. note: Sounds like there's some backpedaling going on here.  What happened to the "thousands" of inmates cited earlier?  No matter.  No version of parole for inmates currently sentenced under the Truth in Sentencing guidelines will be acceptable to the victims of Illinois and the general public at this time.)


 
Anyone who thinks victims' families are over-reacting, or that there is no real threat here to Life Without Parole sentences, or that there isn't a move to reinstate parole in Illinois, or that misinformation has been disseminated need look no further than these quotes.

 

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